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Rare: Fate Was Against Us With Goldeneye

Posted Mon, 21 Sep 2009 by Damien McFerran

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UK developer sees little chance of a Virtual Console release

A while back we got rather excited about the prospect of seeing the N64 classic Goldeneye on the Virtual Console. Such enthusiasm was perfectly understandable - it's still one of the best FPS games you're ever likely to play - but sadly legal wrangles between Nintendo, Microsoft and current Bond license holder Activision seemed to scupper any chance of the game making its way to the Wii.

However, we've always believed you should "Never Say Never Again" (ho ho!) and we haven't stopped hoping that some kind of deal could be struck to ensure this game's memory is kept alive.

Sadly, a recent message from Rare seems to indicate that at present, nothing is going to happen on that score. A fan recently posed the question via the company's website, and this was the reply:

That was some time ago, my friend. Fate was against us that day. Destiny conspired to raise the hurdles even as we attempted to clear them, resulting in unpleasant groinal injury. I suspect we're long past the stage where an agreement was on the cards, but you never know. Stranger things have happened… somewhere … probably.

Stranger things have happened, as they say...cross those fingers, people - but don't go expecting a miracle.

Tags: Retro, Drama, Disappointment, Rare, Goldeneye, Virtual Console.

User Comments

Mqblank

1. Mqblank United Kingdom 21 Sep 2009, 09:12 BST

Goldeneye was the first game I played with the Rumble attachment. Running through the levels, dual pistols blazing is still an unforgettable experience!

Nanaki

2. Nanaki United Kingdom 21 Sep 2009, 09:14 BST

If this came to the VC, I'd be in 00-heaven!

JamieO

3. JamieO United Kingdom 21 Sep 2009, 09:19 BST

Ah, my student days with loads of great mates, plenty of spare time and a regular house full of friends, all of whom became proficient at GoldenEye. The two girls I lived with were initially not gamers, but by the end of 2007 they were ruthless, blue body armour hoarding, head shooting, secret agent killers.
My fingers are crossed, Damo.

BJWanlund

4. BJWanlund United States 21 Sep 2009, 09:25 BST

I played this game for the first time only a few years ago, and I've been praying for a VC-capable Goldeneye since the VC came out.

I hope it does come to the VC, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I guess Nintendo is afraid of the VC becoming a license to print money or something.

BJ

Omega

5. Omega Germany 21 Sep 2009, 10:07 BST

I doubt that we ever see Rare games on the Virtual Console. Especially Golden Eye. AFAIK it got a movie license on top of the Rare license.

Though we could use some more N64 games on the VC in general. But Nintendo seems to be more interested in releasing more WiiWare games. Apparently it's easier to create new games than working out those nasty licensing issues with N64 titles.

BTW: Why is this article in WiiWare?

Bensei

6. Bensei Austria 21 Sep 2009, 10:16 BST

@Omega: We had the DKC games already, so you never know. However, it sure is too late for BK, BT, PD and probably Jet Force Gemini and Conker

Omega

7. Omega Germany 21 Sep 2009, 10:28 BST

^ Oh god, I forgot about them. Some of the best Platformers in existence. - Unfortunately the Donkey Kong games are IMHO the only remarkable games that Rare made for the SNES.

Kirk

8. Kirk United Kingdom 21 Sep 2009, 10:34 BST

Someone who was on the team that was creating the XBLA version of the game should just leak it out to the homebrew scene and at least get it out there.

I say stuff Nintendo and who ever else is standing in the the way of this.

SanderEvers

9. SanderEvers Netherlands 21 Sep 2009, 10:45 BST

They should put Perfect Dark on to the VC :p

(okay that's never gonna happen, but..)

Dazran303

10. Dazran303 Ireland 21 Sep 2009, 10:48 BST

I'd love to play this game with Wii Controls! - That would probably never happen.

Its funny this news came up, just over the weekend I had friends over, and set up the good old N64 and had a blast with Multiplayer Goldeneye & Perfect Dark! :D

V8 Ninja

11. V8 Ninja United States 21 Sep 2009, 10:49 BST

The only good thing this can result in is either

A: Rare leaving Microsoft and becoming a 3rd party developer
or...
B: Rare leaving Microsoft and joining back up with Nintendo

Notice how I put "leaving Microsoft" in both predictions. I know it probably won't happen, but a man can dream...

SanderEvers

12. SanderEvers Netherlands 21 Sep 2009, 10:54 BST

Or C: Microsoft aquires Nintendo as well and game is released on both XBLA and VC.

Well.. that's never gonna happen.

V8 Ninja

13. V8 Ninja United States 21 Sep 2009, 10:57 BST

Agreed

cr00mz

14. cr00mz Sweden 21 Sep 2009, 11:10 BST

where is my Donkey Kong 64!! I can live without Golden Eye, honestly FPS have come a long way since then, but i need my DK64!!!!

Bass X0

15. Bass X0 United Kingdom 21 Sep 2009, 11:50 BST

how does the multiplayer in DK64 rate?

starlac

16. starlac United Kingdom 21 Sep 2009, 11:57 BST

@ Bensei

Yes, but Nintendo owns Donkey Kong and all the games of his outright, they're not Rare's in any sense other than the fact that the company developed them - that includes DK64.

When the two companies split Rare kept all the original IPs that they had created, whilst Nintendo kept all their original IPs.

17. 21 Sep 2009, 12:20 BST

Dang Licences, you triumph yet again!

Egg miester

18. Egg miester United States 21 Sep 2009, 14:19 BST

i'd rather have perfect dark over goldeneye but its impossible for the wii to get ether one
and if activison has there way no one will get goldeneye

Kidpit

19. Kidpit United States 21 Sep 2009, 14:50 BST

Sign...How many times are we going to keep seeing the "Oh Noes! Goldeneye might not appear on the VC." story? I think this is like the tenth article abut the subject.

Objection_Blaster

20. Objection_Blaster United States 21 Sep 2009, 15:06 BST

I think its been established for quite some time that there's little to no chance we'll be seeing this on VC.

The Fox

21. The Fox United States 21 Sep 2009, 15:31 BST

"scupper"?

Rapadash6

22. Rapadash6 United States 21 Sep 2009, 16:10 BST

I'm just surprised there was someone out there foolish enough to bother asking about this. I had thought this case was closed a long time ago. Goldeneye will be fondly remembered, but never celebrated again, unfortunately.

Ren

23. Ren United States 21 Sep 2009, 16:42 BST

sad and pathetic too. Just put it out on Xbox AND VC and be done with it. Let us have Perfect Dark and Jet Force, too. "If I can't have it no one can" is such a childish attitude for these companies to take. Theres enough demand there on both consoles for straight ports and everyone would win.
they need to suck it up, each take profits from their own console sales and both give activision a percentage cut. whats the issue besides Lawyers that insist on a solid win?

deadly.by.design

24. deadly.by.design United States 21 Sep 2009, 17:27 BST

It was a blast back then, but I honestly wouldn't care to play it now.

Nintendo-Naut

25. Nintendo-Naut United States 21 Sep 2009, 17:51 BST

007 is one of the best FPSs I've ever played. Lucky for me I own the original cart.

bestbuck

26. bestbuck Ireland 21 Sep 2009, 18:03 BST

It really is a pity this Game may never come to the VC. I taught it was just between Microsoft and Nintendo to sort it out? But Activision is in the mix. OMG I actually hate Activision ever since I read what there Ceo Bobby Kotick said 2 weeks ago in a speech in LA or somewhere and I have Vowed to never buy a Game that has anything to do with Activision. Because none of my hard earned cash is going into that little Arab's pocket. The Games industry does not need People like him

aaronsullivan

27. aaronsullivan United States 21 Sep 2009, 18:35 BST

Can I just say, seriously, just evenly split it between all those who have a stake in it and split the money. Otherwise, people will just seek other ways to play it. What's the big deal? How hard is it to choose between a little money or no money?

jkgatling

28. jkgatling Sweden 21 Sep 2009, 19:39 BST

honestly... am I the only one realising that Goldeneye wont work on VC because of the controls?

IT would work as wiiware if they made it point thingy shooter... I know that sounds wierd but uknow what I mean...

on XBLA it would work better cause they always add online åplay and update the controls...wich is necesary :P

the shpydar

29. the shpydar United States 21 Sep 2009, 21:41 BST

I'd expect the issue of getting it on VC (and/or XBLA) isn't as much bewteen MS and Ninty, but from Activision and/or the Bond license holders generally (MGM perhaps? Or whoever owns them now). The Bond license has notoriously been heavily monitored ever since the whole "Roger Moore and Sean Connery are BOTH Bond?" thing back in '83 with "Never Say Never Again".

irken004

30. irken004 United States 21 Sep 2009, 22:19 BST

Ok, so we might miss out on this game. We still have other great VC titles that will be released!

Ricardo91

31. Ricardo91 United States 21 Sep 2009, 23:02 BST

Everyone should've expected this. It's not only a licensed game, but a game made by a company that gave the rights to their games to another company. This is a licensing nightmare, people.

Personally I've never played Goldeneye, since I never owned and N64, so I'm not too down at this. I do plan to get an N64 sometime soon, so I should see what all the fuss is about soon enough. :)

ArtMcCarthyDotCom

32. ArtMcCarthyDotCom United States 21 Sep 2009, 23:15 BST

I hope they put some effort in the next jamesbond game.

romulo

33. romulo Brazil 21 Sep 2009, 23:28 BST

Good thing I still have the cart.

motang

34. motang United States 21 Sep 2009, 23:30 BST

So what is Rare up to these days, they seem relatively quite.

grenworthshero

35. grenworthshero United States 22 Sep 2009, 06:13 BST

That's disappointing, but, seriously...who doesn't own the original game anyway?

Super Smash Bros. Fan1999

36. Super Smash Bros. Fan1999 United States 22 Sep 2009, 13:06 BST

@grenworthshero: Unfourtnently, I never had. This is why I have to depend on a VC release on ALL N64 titles.

I'm still holding out hoping for this game. The current gaming license owner is Activision, a supporter of the Virtual Console, so it might happen.

Nobody respond to this comment.

winter123

37. winter123 United States 22 Sep 2009, 17:44 BST

publisher fail

vio

38. vio United States 23 Sep 2009, 02:13 BST

Funny thing is, we're more likely to see just about ANY OTHER Rare game on Virtual Console than this one. The fact that it's a Rare game and a LICENSED game makes it legal minefield that's unlikely to ever be successfully crossed. Sad really. Who would have ever thought Micosoft's purchasing of Rare would have come back and bit us in the ass like this? Kind of makes you wish Microsoft hadn't gone and bought their way into the video game business.

vio

39. vio United States 23 Sep 2009, 02:17 BST

@grenworthshero: Quite a few people here probably no longer own an N64 or this game. I personally still happen have my N64 and this game though. My N64 is actually one of the only old systems I've kept. I'm really glad I did, but I also wish I had kept my SNES, Genesis and Turbografx-16. Getting rid of those was really stupid in retrospect.

Sylverstone

40. Sylverstone United States 23 Sep 2009, 02:20 BST

Oh well, guess I better whip out the old N64 again.

(Oh wait, it's over my cousin's....)

TrueWiiMaster

41. TrueWiiMaster United States 23 Sep 2009, 03:59 BST

What about other games Rare made, like Donkey Kong 64?

Ricardo91

42. Ricardo91 United States 23 Sep 2009, 04:15 BST

Nintendo still owns the rights to the Donkey Kong name, so it's entirely possible that DK64 will appear on VC eventually. We have the 3 Donkey Kong Countries on there, don't we?

Mickeymac

43. Mickeymac United States 23 Sep 2009, 05:08 BST

Well, I'm happy to never see this bastard of a game again. Now I just hope they release DK64 soon, so I can play the only Rare game I have any positive memories of.

StarDust

44. StarDust United States 24 Sep 2009, 01:49 BST

A friend of mine showed me how to play it the other week. by the end of the day (actually a couple hours), I only gained 8 kills to his 10, and was rapidly getting better - I had always remembered watching the other guys play it in high school, but I was too afraid to play because I didn't want to "get creamed" in front of everybody. Stupid yes, I know :P

cheetahman91

45. cheetahman91 United States 24 Sep 2009, 03:26 BST

@Mickeymac: Tell me about it.

This may be one of the greatest games of all time, but seeing all this news about it not coming to the VC is getting very old. Now if Jet Force Gemini would be released, I will be one happy camper. :)

Draygone

46. Draygone United States 25 Sep 2009, 11:14 BST

I know the game is reguarded as a classic, but do you guys really want to deal with Natalia, again? :P
(Language warning in the link. No, it's not my video.)

supbilly

47. supbilly United Kingdom 26 Sep 2009, 10:35 BST

I suppose if it was ever agreed to be released on a VC, it would be Microsoft's as they own Rare. It would be incredible, and a great step forward, if both Microsoft and Nintendo were able to release the game on their respective systems. I'm sure it would be one of the top selling games for both of them. It is such a shame, as this really was one of the greatest games ever made in my opinion. Such longevity and a great replay value - from playing it through properly, to using the cheats to pound through the levels with the 2x grenade launchers! And as for the multi-player... many a night after school did me and friends go round each other's houses, armed with a controller, to play four player... I was always Odd Job because he was the hardest to hit! Good times.

miletich3

48. miletich3 United States 27 Sep 2009, 22:32 BST

I ain't surprised because Goldeneye should be rereleased on X360 IMO

Thomas

49. Thomas United States 15 Oct 2009, 18:50 BST

I've pretty much given up on GoldenEye on the VC or Live Arcade. There are other games out there, equally or more sublime than GoldenEye.

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